From: ali davidson To: ngah_ahmad@yahoo.com ; azahidi@hra.tmtouch.com.my ; hizb@hizbi.net ; uk@hizbi.net ; usa@hizbi.net Subject: Re: H-Net* Hadith - kenapa ada perbezaan ? - Minta nasihat !!! Date: Sunday, 14 March, 1999 02:09 *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* { Sila poskan kepada 3 alamat berikut : } { hizb@hizbi.net; uk@hizbi.net; usa@hizbi.net } { HizbiNet - Membina Ummah Berilmu & Bermaklumat.} *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* waalaikumussalaam wr.wb. In all 3 versions of the haadith qouted by the educated person, the Book of God was mentioned. Doesn't he know that in the Book Of God are many verses telling us to follow sunnah. If he doesn't, let's remind him verses 156-157 of surah al-A'raaf only and let him find out for himself the other verses. Wassalaam >From: Ngah Ahmad >To: Ahmad Zahidi Hj Ismail , hizb@hizbi.net,uk@hizbi.net, usa@hizbi.net >Subject: Re: H-Net* Hadith - kenapa ada perbezaan ? - Minta nasihat !!! >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 06:23:20 -0800 (PST) > > > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* > { Sila poskan kepada 3 alamat berikut : } > { hizb@hizbi.net; uk@hizbi.net; usa@hizbi.net } > { HizbiNet - Membina Ummah Berilmu & Bermaklumat.} > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* > >Assalamualaikum, > >It seems that no one care to respond to your posting. It is not my >intention either to respond to your posting as I am not an expert in >ahadith. To me this is yet another "provocative" question from you. I >am not too sure whether by answering your question will further >enhance your iman to Allah and His apostle, prophet Muhammad SAW. It >is my sincerest hope that it will not enhance your belief in the >thinking of a particular group of "educated" people. > >I am also not too sure what is your motive in raising those >provocative questions. One question will lead to another. I just want >to express my "feelings" towards you. You are highly educated with a >Master degree (Just like those "educated" group). You appear to be >religious and pious. At some official functions you were requested to >read the doa. During Zuhur and Asar solat sometimes you were the imam >for the solats. Now, I have my doubt whether I shud join the solat if >you happen to be the imam. I hesitate to inform my colleagues about >your postings in this net as I dont have any concrete evidence of your >being in that circle of "educated" group. But sometimes, I feel guilty >consciuos if I dont tell my fellow Muslims who you are if you happen >to be the imam of solat. I am actually in a delimma. Please, I need >advice from fellow netters in this Hizbinet. > >Wassalam. > > > > >---Ahmad Zahidi Hj Ismail wrote: >> >> >> *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> { Sila poskan kepada 3 alamat berikut : } >> { hizb@hizbi.net; uk@hizbi.net; usa@hizbi.net } >> { HizbiNet - Membina Ummah Berilmu & Bermaklumat.} >> *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> >> Assalaamu'alikum >> >> The farewell Pilgrimage of the Prophet Muhammed is a corner stone in >the Muslim >> history. The Final Sermon given by the Prophet during this >pilgrimage was >> witnessed by thousands of Muslims. There are however THREE versions >of this >> sermon in the Hadith books. >> >> First version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will >never be >> misguided, the BOOK OF GOD." Muslim 15/19, no.1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, >Abu dawud >> 11/56. >> >> Second version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will >never be >> misguided, the BOOK OF GOD and my Family." Muslim 44/4, No.2408; Ibn >Hanbal >> 4/366; darimi 23/1, no.3319. >> >> Third version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will >never be >> misguided, the BOOK OF GOD and my Sunnah" . Muwatta, 46/3 >> >> All the three hadiths are considered sahih. But why is it that only >the third >> version is mostly quoted and referred to? If you adopt version one >".. BOOK OF >> GOD" only, without the need to hold up to sunnah or his family, you >definitely >> will be branded as GAH. If you adopt version 2 only (still without >the need to >> uphold sunnah) you will still be branded as GAH. If you adopt >version three, >> then you are discarding the fact that version one propagates there >is no need >> to uphold sunnah while still accepting that the version is sahih. Or >is it that >> you adopt only the one which you are comfortable with, where the >hadiths >> contradict among themselves and be branded as Semi-GAH. >> >> I believe hadith experts in the net can elaborate, please. >> >> "These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you >truthfully. In which >> HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6. >Sorry, I >> cannot find any hadith to support this verse, just yet. >> >> >> >> >> The following was included as an attachement. Please use UUDECODE >> to retrieve it. The original file name was 'BEYOND.RTF'. >> >> >> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/rtf name=BEYOND.RTF >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ( Melanggan ? To : majordomo@hizbi.net pada body : SUBSCRIBE HIZB) >> ( Berhenti ? 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